The last time Joyzine had a proper chat with Brixton Hill Studios, it was 2023 and they were fighting to stay open. I popped in for an update from Stephen and Jen and heard not only about how hard theyโre working to keep the studios open, but also about how theyโre collaborating with other people and organisations to build a bright future for music in Lambeth. As music fans, writers and musicians, we can support what theyโre doing for the scene we love.

The threat of closure is over for now. “We have got through that,โ says Jen. โWeโre still here!“
Stephen elaborates on what happened. “We got through the pandemic, we got out the other side, which was great, and it wasnโt without a lot of hard work.” They got a considerable amount of help from the Arts Council, but things were still tight. “We were having to do a lot of scrimpingโฆ all the amps started going wrong, stuff like that.” By September 2022, they were in the last year of their contract and tried to start negotiations with the landlord, but they didnโt hear back until April the following year. Eventually the landlord sent someone round.
They were told their rent would go up by 136%. There was no room for negotiation. Stephen continues: “The agent who was being given it was really pushy โ it was horrible, it was really stressfulโฆ It was too much of a risk, because I could end up being in loads of debt; I was just like, I canโt do it. So we had to have a meeting with everybody and say, Iโm sorry, weโre going to have to close down. So we made the announcement and then all the patrons made a huge fuss about it. There was a petition to our landlord; it then got into the community, to the counsellors, our MP got involved, Brixton Buzz got involved. Our landlord then saw they needed to be a little more reasonable and open negotiations and we managed a rent reviewโฆ it wasnโt great, but we knew we could stay open. Weโre two years into that now.“

It looks like itโs going quite well โ whenever my band pitch up to practice, there are lots of people there (and some phenomenal tunes). “Thatโs brilliantโ Stephen says, โBut it could be filled for every hour that we are open and you still wouldnโt see us smoking cigars and drinking champagne. Weโre all musicians, and every time we have to put prices up, Iโm the one going, โWe need to put this upโ and theyโre all going โNoโ. So we come to a compromise.”
Bands are finding it tough. “The gigging situationโs not great. Weโve got bands who are playing massive venues and donโt necessarily go in studio 1, the big room. They do all their woodshedding in the smaller rooms and maybe if theyโve got a production rehearsal before going off and playing at the Brixton Academy theyโll go into studio 1 for a day or so. Everyoneโs really squeezed, so we try and make sure itโs affordable. Itโs got to be within reach of everybody because otherwise itโll just be those who can afford it doing it and we want everyone to be able to afford it.“
Have the kind of people who come in changed at all in the years theyโve been running it? “The daytime has definitely got a lot busier” Stephen says. Jen has noticed that bands come in a lot, even if theyโre not specifically touring or recording. “I think we get a lot more grassroots, up-and-coming bands coming inโ Stephen says. โItโs really nice when they see someone like Shame and they go, โOh my god man, did you see Shame are in?โโ He remembers what that meant to him: “I remember going to places like The Fortress back in the day. I used walk past the cage and go โOoh, Elasticaโs gearโs in thereโ. I think itโs brilliant โ aspiration for those people to be your peers, because weโre all each otherโs peers, itโs just some of us are more successful than others and some of us just manage to do it in our spare time.”
So what does the future look like?
When they were facing closure in 2023, they spoke to the council, who said they could try to find something for them, but they needed a couple more years to make that happen โ and they only had about six months. But once the contract was renewed and they got some breathing space, they started to look into other options, and undertook what sounds like a huge research project.
Stephen explains the background: “Traditionally thereโs always been commercial planning and thereโs been residential planning. Residential people need places to live and you know the way that kind of goes up in price, it wasnโt the same as commercial property. But the lines have become blurred. So, for example, when I moved here, I was told that these three industrial units were a quarter of a million pounds for the whole lot. You couldnโt buy a one-bed flat in Brixton for two fifty then…. The idea is that, with commercial property, you buy it, itโs an investment in places for people to work. With the amount of development and gentrification and everything, whatโs happened is that the lines have become blurred.’
โIf you look at London say maybe in the late seventies and eighties, a lot of people who worked in London lived in the commuter belt in Surrey, in Kent, in Maidstone and only came in to work. So London became quite a cheap place to live. And also maybe the industry depleted as a result. So commercial property was left empty, there was a big squatting sceneโฆ all the arty farty types like us moved in. So places that were neglected became cooler because thereโs all this stuff going on.โ But with the coolness came gentrification. โSo gentrification happens, prices go up. Fair enough.”
But, because people couldnโt fill commercial property, theyโd ask to turn it into flats and that became the norm. “When we tried to buy a commercial property, it was too expensive.”
Every time he called an estate agent to ask about a property, โTheyโd go โAlright, are you interested in investing as a tenant or a developer?โ Everythingโs a potential development. So sites like this get built up, they get developed. The knock-on effect is that somewhere like this, because itโs industrial, becomes valuable because there is a paucity of it, but also because potentially itโs a nice block of flats.โ He explains that the councils try and get round this with a first floor of offices or retail with flats above. But that wonโt necessarily work. “If whatever youโre doing below is something the residents wonโt like above then youโre screwedโฆ you get the idea.“
They looked into other options. Jen talks about Creative Land Trust, who find buildings for visual arts, and told them a lot about how things work, but it looks like the options are limited, and so is the funding. “What would be idealโ she says โis to be able say, look we have a functioning workspace here that is used by a large number of people, local music community, wider music community. Itโs working, can we not have this space? Donโt develop into something else, have it here as that landlordโs contribution to whatever it is they have to contribute. Itโs like, hello? Anyone?“
So as well as running the studios day to day, they constantly have to think about how theyโll keep going โ which led to their new project, Perfect Pitch, a way of funding a sustainable space for music. It came about when they thought about the future: Stephen is frank: “If weโre struggling, everybodyโs struggling. We know everyoneโs struggling.โ He lists music charities, luthiers, recording studios like One Cat Studios in Crystal Palace. โItโs always that thing of the rent is so difficult and itโs put up. So we thought instead of just trying to find somewhere for us, why donโt we try and raise money to buy a building?“
Perfect Pitch is a community benefit society (CBS), which is based on a co-operative model. “It will be owned by the community.โ Stephen says. โMembers of the community can buy shares in it. Those shares arenโt necessarily going to pay for the building, but weโll have a membership, weโll have a core of people who will own this building.โ
Theyโre launching Perfect Pitch at the studios on 27 September โ tickets to the launch event are free, and there will be music lessons, talks and performances. “The idea is that as weโre building membership, weโre looking at fundraising, so weโll be going to certain bodies, weโll be looking at grants, different ways that we can finance it, weโll be asking, hopefully, some people with some capital to invest. And the idea is that we can hopefully buy a building up to about 10,000 square feet that remains in Brixton, or at least the Lambeth area. Weโll be an ethical landlord. So, if youโre in the musical arts, youโll come and go, okay well Iโve got this music project and I need a space to work fromโฆ and weโll carve up that space, go right, this is your space. They can either build what they need to build in there or weโll look at ways we can assist to do it. The bottom line isโฆ we aim to keep the rent at as low a rate as we canโฆ That rent will not rise above the level of inflation, so weโre effectively putting in a rent control.”

Theyโre hoping itโll be a model that other cities like Bristol, Leeds, Manchester can use. “Something has to be done, and we donโt know if weโre going to achieve it, but weโre having a jolly good try. And like I said, it might take years. It might not happen before we have to find another home, but the important thing is that it will be there for the next generation, the generation after that. If we can own the building, we can look into putting protections in. We can say, right, this building has a covenant on it, it must only be used for the practice of the musical arts. We can put in that it cannot be developed. The other thing about a CBS, the important thing about the community, is that everyone who owns a share will have a sayโฆ each member has an equal voteโฆ And weโll have the board, and the board will change and evolve, over the years. Weโre starting it, but I donโt expect to be necessarily the person who completes it. Iโll always be involved in it hopefullyโฆ Itโs nobodyโs. It doesnโt belong to anybody: it belongs to everybody, and thatโs the important thing.” Other venues have started looking at running in a more community-led way โ Jen mentions the venue Sister Midnight, who have mentored them.
It has been a busy two years โ “From us going how, what, what, how?โ Jen says โTo being advised on which way to go, actually setting up the benefit society. We had a big old meeting the other day and the facilitator said youโve done really well to get this far this quickly. Which you donโt feel, at all, but whatโs really heartwarming is that nowโฆ people are coming to the desk now and going, โCan I get involved? What can I do?โ Itโs like the touchpaper. And itโs amazing to have a community that want to be involved and want to help. So that boosts us, because we feel weโre slowly going up a really big hill. We feel like weโve got some people with us now and weโll get there.”
“Itโs quite an undertaking” Stephen says.
“Quite!” says Jen, picking up on the understatement.
“Iโm English, Iโm not going to use superlatives here.โ Stephen counters. โItโs an undertaking and it can be really overwhelming sometimes, but the attitude you have to take is a bit like when I started this. When I started Brixton Hill Studiosโฆ I remember the night before we got the keys and weโd basically break the ground the next day, I was lying in bed and the back of my neck went on fire. It felt like it was burning. And I just went, hang on a tick. Can I have a word? If youโre going to do this, youโve got to kind of just accept the fact that you can only do your best. And if it doesnโt happen, you triedโฆ Youโve just got to have a bit of calm. But it is exciting, and itโs potentially a really amazing thing. And Iโm doing it with my best pal!”
Get involved!
Want to support Brixton Hill Studios and Perfect Pitch?
- Follow Brixton Hill Studios and Perfect Pitch on Instagram. There are surveys you can fill in on their linktrees that you can use to show youโre interested and support the idea. Jen explains โIt gives us something to show investors or donors that this is an actual thing thatโs going to happen, itโs not just, weโll build it and then itโll be empty.โ
- Theyโre putting on gigs too. Jen lists the Windmill, Off the Cuff, the Cavendish Arms and Dash the Henge as venues who are aware of what theyโre doing and supportive of it. โWe really appreciate what theyโre doing.โ
- Join the campaign launch on 27 September.
- Sign up to their mailing list.
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